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Tell me about the task force: It ultimately spread to Juba, and then ultimately the doctor went all the way to Khartoum. Old copper incubators, and no modern virology at all. Jim was very excited about it, because we had already known that Kaposi's sarcoma was being reported from New York by Linda Laubenstein. They then met with Willa Baum ROHO director and me to discuss their idea of focusing the series on the medical and scientific response in the early years of the AIDS epidemic in San Francisco, believing that the city at this time played a particularly formative role in terms of AIDS medicine, organization, and policy.

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Back in the lab, I kept being influenced by those who kept pleading, "Well, we better think broader. I never saw him again. He's left Shanti since. But that was a public health endeavor--something we had to do. I went to the chairman of the Department of Pediatrics in Los Angeles, Paul Wehrle, and asked him where he would get training in Canada. CDC staff presented the materials first that we were going to be discussing, and their views of what the problems were.

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Would CDC have sent you there without proper preparation to deal with a lethal virus? Wonder drugs, fear of venereal disease, infection and sexual contact. Anyway, Max and Bob Gallo and I were all doing the same thing. A normal sexually active adult heterosexual male maybe would report as many as twenty-five heterosexual contacts per year. Previously that didn't occur in young people; by and large it was [found in] older, Mediterranean or Jewish males. CDC staff presented the materials first that we were going to be discussing, and their views of what the problems were.